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  • 07-30-2009 9:47 AM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

     "Medical lawsuits are not the major cause of the increase in the costs of medical care."

    Ma'am, my father is a physician...my mother is a nurse, my WIFE is a nurse...my mother-in-law is a nurse...don't tell me that the ridiculous amount of money my father has to pay for MALPRACTICE insurance doesn't drive up health care costs.

    By the way, along with the MAYO Clinic (one of the most respected health care facilities in the WORLD), ALL of my family members in the health care field are AGAINST this "plan". 

    I'm sorry your personal situation isn't better, but close to 80% of the country is satisfied with their current care...

    Once again, I am all for less expensive health care...this ISN'T the way to get that.

     

  • 07-30-2009 12:25 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

     All of this is true, but that is where he has the upper hand and he knows it, that's why he is not worried about the economy right now, he knows he has to get that health care passed and the only way is to render people helpless

  • 07-30-2009 12:39 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

     I have more knowledge than you know, we did own a small business, that went under, we lost everything, including healthcare, but thank God that the hospitals here will not turn you away. I will do without, if I have to stoop to the Government giving me a handout that I know someone else will have to pay for, and in taking care of me, their child might have to go lacking for something that they may need. IT'S NOT FAIR FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE SOMETHING FOR YOU UNLESS IT IS THEIR CHOICE! IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S MONEY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S THE PEOPLE'S MONEY!

  • 07-30-2009 2:40 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

     Oh YES, by all means lets read the BILL, you sure can keep the health care plan that you have, BUT, if something should happen that you lose that plan, you will be forced to go UNIVERSAL, why would you want a complete stranger to pay for your insurance? The government will not be paying this, the people will, IT'S CALLED WELFARE!!!!! I can understand welfare for people who are in need and cannot work, but I would just about bet that you are as able to work, as the people that you are asking to pay for your medical. Obama is great at spending and distributing someone elses money. Do you not understand that we are all hurting, it's not all about YOU!

  • 07-30-2009 2:45 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

     OH YES, by the way , OBAMA is a huge liar, not lier, as you have written.

  • 07-30-2009 3:44 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

    the entire insurance health-scare is just what obammy wants, complete control over you. dont think for a miNute that he cares about health care...he even said that he would sign up his own family, what a lie as , and how convenient is this, that he, congress and all these overpAid windbags are exempt...gee, wonder why if its so good then why dont they sign up first?

  • 07-30-2009 4:28 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

     Hi,

    I've been reading the posts online and I know that feelings about this issue run strong on both sides. So I don't want to disrespect anyone or tell them what they know or should know. Rather, I just want to say that some of the arguments in this debate (both pro and con) seem a little premature since congress has yet to produce a final bill.

    As of right now, committees in both the House and the Senate are all constructing their portions of what will hopefully become a final product for the public's consideration. Until then, we the people get mostly soundbites and snippets of information from interest groups and the non-partisan organizations that watch them. Unfortunately, these peices hardly present a full picture of what Obama is proposing. Until we see the final product, who knows what exactly we're dealing with?

    And if I make my point in another way through an analogy: its kind of like Obama is saying he can make us a brand new house to live in, better and cheaper than the one in which we currently reside. However, he's yet to show us a blue print for the structure, nor provide a definite list of the building materials. Yet this is understandable since his "team" (the administration and congress) is still working on the plan. Yet, while they work, some people are getting heated over possible "houses" Obama might build, and critics are pointing out that he has no way to heat this house or provide clean drinking water because that part of the plan has yet to be written.

     

     

  • 07-30-2009 4:56 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

     You are right...there is no FINAL Bill as of yet...conveniently enough.

    But, the one the House produced before was about the WORST piece of legislation Ive seen...IF you ignore the last "STIMULUS" bill...or his budget.

     

  • 07-31-2009 4:19 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

     

    Here are FIVE things you NEED to know about the House Health Bill

    1. New Government Run Plan to “Compete” with Private Companies

    * Doctor Payments Based on the Medicare Model. Plan would reimburse providers at Medicare payment rates for at least the first three years, with a 5% bonus payment. After that, reimbursement could be no more than Medicare rates. The Secretary of Health and Human services could coerce doctors to participate in the program by tying participation to other government run health programs.

    * Lawsuits. Bill exposes employers operating group health plans to state law remedies and private causes of action, but the government run plan can only be sued in federal court.

    * Rationing. A new Health Care Commissioner would have unprecedented authority to determine what is “acceptable” health care coverage and set all the rules for what a health care coverage must include in addition to what treatments patients could receive and at what cost.

    * The “Invisible” Government Run Plan. Requires private insurers to comply with new coverage and underwriting rules in order to offer insurance products both inside and outside of the new national and state insurance exchanges.

    2. Costs Go Up for the Government and Everyone Else

    * CBO Director Elmendorff said on July 16th that, “…the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs… The way I would put it is that the [cost] curve is being raised…”

    * Bigger Deficits. CBO estimates that the bill will increase the deficit by $239 billion in the first ten years. Even this is misleading though, since the tax increases in the bill start immediately, but the new spending is delayed. Once the spending fully starts, the bill adds over $60 billion a year to the deficit.

    * New Tax on Individuals of 2.5% if they don’t purchase “acceptable coverage.”

    * Many Currently Insured Individuals Will Face More Expensive Insurance Premiums based on new rules for “acceptable” insurance coverage.

    * Expands Medicaid eligibility to all individuals up to 133% of poverty and “low income” subsidies” can go to a family of four making more than $88,000.

    3. Pay or “Play” Employer Mandate

    * An 8 percent Payroll Tax on: Employers who can’t afford to offer health insurance to their employers; employers who do the right thing and offer health coverage to their employees but it’s deemed “insufficient” by the government; and employers who aren’t paying at least 72.5% of an employee’s premium (65% for family coverage).

    * Fines of up to $500,000 on employers who make an honest mistake, thinking they had provided what the government deemed “sufficient” coverage.

    4. If You Like What You Have, You Can’t Keep It

    * 2 out of 3 Workers will Lose Coverage. Independent analysis by the Lewin Group shows that 2 out of every 3 people would lose their current coverage, including over 114 million people who receive health benefits through their employer or other current coverage.

    * 11 million Seniors will Lose Medicare Advantage Plans

    * More than 8 million Health Savings Accounts not deemed “acceptable coverage.”

    * It will be Illegal to Renew your Current Health Insurance and you will be left only with plans approved by a new federal regulator—plans that can’t compete with a new government run plan.

    5. Raises Taxes on Small Businesses through Surtax Increase

    * Filers making $280,000 ($350,000 joint) will be hit with a 1% surtax, filers making $400,000 ($500,000) will be hit with a 1.5% surtax and filers making $800,000 ($1,000,000) will be hit with a 5.4% surtax. The Democrats imbedded an automatic tax increase in their bill by doubling the 1% and 1.5% small business tax in 2013 continuing their revenue grab from small businesses.

    * Of taxpayers who file in the top brackets more than half of them are small business. The Democrat plan, according to a study by the Tax Foundation, would raise the top tax rate in 39 states to more than 50%.

    * According the National Association of Manufactures, an industry hit hard by the economy, 68% of manufactures file as S-corporations with an average income of $570,000, well above the $350,000 base the Democrats have set for the surtax.

     

    READ it and see what they want to do...don't just BELIEVE what they tell you.

     

  • 08-03-2009 5:29 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

    Straight from the Bill itself...

    Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!

    Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

    Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

    Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

    Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

    Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Health card will be issued!

    Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your banks accounts for elective funds transfer.

    Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

    Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

    Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

    Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation: illegal aliens.

    Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

    Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.

    Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

    Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly.

    Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)

    Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!

    Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

    Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

    Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

    Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

    Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

    Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that!

    Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

    Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!

    Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.

    Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

    Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

    Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

    Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.

    Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.

    Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!

    Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

    Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!

    Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

    Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.

    Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!

    Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health Advisory Committee. Can you say HC by phone?

    Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.

    Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

    Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

    Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

    Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

    Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!

    Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

    Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!

    Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

    Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

    Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

    Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services

     

    How do you like all this?  Looks pretty awful to me...

  • 08-07-2009 12:33 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

    0bama is calling his dogs (Acorn, the Unions) on anyone who protests at town hall PUBLIC meetings...what a guy! 

  • 08-08-2009 2:13 PM In reply to

    Re: Obama visits a Bristol Kroger to talk about health care

     0bama is a not telling the truth.  Read the bill.

     

    http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

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