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  • 12-31-2008 3:58 PM In reply to

    Re: Prayer in City Council meetings

     I think a lot of all these attacks against God...yes against God....is just to get a rise out of Christians. What is a Christian?---a Christian is someone who has made a confession of faith to God, acknowledging their helplessness to save themselves, and their need of a Savior, who is Jesus Christ. It requires regeneration of the heart and nothing short of this to be saved.

    I am just sick and tired of all these nonbelievers and non-Christians spewing their hatred and disbelief of God and His redeemer Son, Jesus Christ, into the world.

    Stand up Mr. Lea and never back down or compromise your faith in Jesus Christ, because to disown Him is to be disowned BY Him.

    I will continue to pray for the lost and unbelieving that they will come to their senses one day before it is too late for them. As of now, they are self-condemned.

     

     

  • 12-31-2008 4:38 PM In reply to

    Re: Prayer in City Council meetings

     Enough, is enough.  The time has come to stop allowing the wicked to drive God out of public life.  This is not a civil issue, this is God vs. Satan.  It is time to drive these anti-Christ out of Virginia and out of America!!  America is a choice land blessed of God and an inheritence for those that will serve Him.  If we tolerate the wicked they will bring a curse and pestilence on us all. 

    It is time for christians to stop being weak.  Exercise your faith like Joshua and drive the wicked from the Promised Land.  We owe it to our ancestors who fought and died to make us free!!

     

  • 12-31-2008 6:43 PM In reply to

    Re: Prayer in City Council meetings

    These are not attacks against God; actually, they are the exact opposite. Most Christians don't understand that the problem with Lea's prayer isn't that people don't want him to pray, but they want him to give a non-sectarian prayer. God is not an exclusive entity to Christianity, and therein lies the problem and why the United States of America was formed in the first place. The colonies didn't want to be under the thumb of the Church of England anymore and wanted each of their citizens to make his or her own decision regarding personal liberties.

    Most people that disapprove of Christian prayers at government meetings are very spiritual and religious (believers) "agibson" who want to preserve the intent of the founding fathers regarding the separation of church and state from our government. Anyone who doesn't see past or understand the purpose of keeping prayers in government meeting non-sectarian are the ones who are self-condemned. Take time and pray for yourself.

     

  • 01-01-2009 9:58 AM In reply to

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    I understand the point you are trying to make.  However, you are mistaken...the founding fathers never wrote ANYTHING about a separation of church and state in the Constitution.  Not a tittle. Now, once again, I am NOT for a theocracy, but this whole "separation of church and state" lie has allowed for absurd things like THIS to happen. 

    The founding fathers were Christians, not humanists or anything else. They state in our founding documents...time and again, that our "CREATOR"...or God, is the provider of liberty.  W are and have ALWAYS been a Christian nation. 

    Now, do I want all gubmint meetings to start with a 30 minute sermon?  No.  I just think people should respect and honor the history and tradition of our great country.

    Once again...we have the Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.  This was written so that the government couldn't FORCE you to pay or adhere to specific, government Church.  In other words, pray to whomever and wherever you want, however you want.   

     

     

     

     

  • 01-06-2009 12:22 PM In reply to

    Re: Prayer in City Council meetings

     There are times for private prayer and private worship.  there are times when we are called to be a public witness of our faith.  I am not a "religious zealot" when I pray publicly when asked.  If I deny my Lord publicly by not praying as asked then I have missed His will for that moment.  Please don't confuse rights with responsibility.

  • 01-06-2009 2:24 PM In reply to

    Re: Prayer in City Council meetings

     

    Not everyone believes in God. Most people do. I don't, Despite some assertions that Christianity is under assault by these kinds of complaints, I find it hard to believe when the vast majority of people in this country are believers.

  • 01-07-2009 3:00 PM In reply to

    Re: Prayer in City Council meetings

    First, I respect your opinion, so I hope we can discuss this in a civil manner.

    I think we have two sides in this who often mis-understand each other's goals.  It's a touchy topic so it gets heated quickly, and nobody listens or allows debate without name-calling and insults. 

    You are right that the majority of Americans believe in God, most are Christians.  However, there is a very influential/powerful secular movement here as well that, I feel, is bent on undermining Christianity whenever and wherever it can.  And they have to means to do it, even though they are in the smallest minority.  Look at the entertainment industry.  The Golden Compass, for example, was written SPECIFICALLY to undermine Christianity.  The DaVinci Code, written for the same reason. 

    Those are the OBVIOUS examples.  But, If you watch TV or go to movies you see and hear Christianity being mocked and ridiculed whenever it is mentioned.  Christians in movies are NEVER shown to be logical, intelligent and/or caring people.  Typically they are protrayed as hateful, stupid, prejudiced or even evil.  Its the truth.  Christians are portrayed in the same light that blacks were for years and years.  Simplistic, emotional and irrational.

    Our universities and school systems have also been over-taken by leftwing secularists.  They won't even call it Christmas break anymore.  I don't care much about that in particular, but that type of stigmatization carries over into other things.  Major corporations now think its best to refrain from wishing a customer Merry Christmas, EVEN though their research would CLEARLY tell them that the vast majority of their customers here are Christians.  

    So, why would Lowe's or Home Depot (not saying they do) tell their employees to refrain form saying it?

    Well, it's because there is a HUGE, concerted effort by Secularists to boycott and/or punish ANYONE who says or does things they disagree with. 

    Why do you think homosexuals want people who say their behavior is immoral to be charged with "hate speech" crimes?  It is on their agenda.  They ultimately want pastors to be outlawed from quoting scripture that says the same thing. 

    I have a quesion for you that requires honesty to answer. 

    What is the ONLY religion here in America that can be made fun of on major network television?

     

     

  • 01-08-2009 4:46 PM In reply to

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     Another example of atheists trying to impose their NON-beliefs.

    Atheists: Remove ‘So Help Me God’ From Inaugural Oath



     

    Atheists and several non-religious organizations have filed a 39-page lawsuit to prohibit the use of religious phrases and references to God when President-elect Barack Obama takes the oath of office Jan. 20.

     

    The lawsuit, filed Tuesday in Washington, demands the words “so help me God” and other “explicitly religious dogma” not be uttered at the end of the swearing-in ceremony, the Washington Post reports. In addition, the suit will try to prohibit ministers from invoking a benediction in which God and religion are discussed

     

    Sad, very sad.  Good thing this will NOT happen.

  • 01-14-2009 2:42 PM In reply to

    Re: Prayer in City Council meetings

    The original oath of office -- as it is specified in the United States Constitution in Article II, Section 1, and subsection 8 - reads "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    So help me God is not and should not be part of the ceremony given that it is a public, hence non-religious event.

    It's time the fiction of God be retired from our political arena.

    Amen.

     

     

  • 01-14-2009 5:11 PM In reply to

    Re: Prayer in City Council meetings

    Walker:
    What is the ONLY religion here in America that can be made fun of on major network television?

     

    Walker quit with this silly anecdotal crap.

    Christian, Jews, and Muslims are all made fun of on TV. Ever watch SNL, Family Guy, South Park, Simpsons? All faiths are fair game.

    If anyone ever got on TV and said the things about Chistians that Pat Robertson says about Muslims everyday on WSLS they would be run out of town.

    Christians are FAR from innocently persecuted victims of a atheist world.

    Quit your crying.

     

  • 01-15-2009 9:40 AM In reply to

    Re: Prayer in City Council meetings

    Either I haven't been clear or you missed my point.  Christians TAKE it, sure we make a little noise about it, but we don't threaten to kill you.  Muslims and Atheists don't take it..  They file lawsuits and threaten people.

    Didn't South Park buckle under pressure by Muslims?  I think they did.  The rest of the shows you mentioned, all of them dog out Christianity every chance they get.  RARELY do they touch the others.  Coincidentally, they are all written/produced by hard-core leftists.  Probably why you watch and I don't.

    I don't really expect Atheists and Muslims to abide by the same rules as everyone else, but it sure would garner a little more respect if they did.

  • 01-18-2009 3:09 PM In reply to

    Re: Prayer in City Council meetings

      I keep seeing these discussions.  They just don't go away.  Here it is, the First Amendment:  "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "  That's it, in its entirety.  Nothing more and nothing less.  The amendment protects the people from the government and not the other way around.  When are intelligent people going to get it right?  The VERY key word here is Congress.  So, all you state, county and city governments, do as you please.  If you don't want to be concerned about a bunch of protesting Muslims or whatever they are, don't be.  But, for GOD's sake, have some backbone.  And surely don't be concerned about a bunch of left wing bleeding heart liberal lawyers from the ACLU.  You first need to be an atheist to be a member of that group.  Congress starts each session with a prayer and they have a chaplin!  Mayor Lea, stand up for what is your right, guaranteed by our Constitution.  Take your country back!

    1892 Supreme court quote

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